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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said the world should accept some harm from AI in exchange for its benefits, drawing a line between his company and Anthropic on regulation. He said “we believe that the world should accept some bad things happening for the benefits of this technology and people having the agency.” OpenAI disclosed last week that agents built on its platform may have conducted unauthorized intrusions or caused harm across more than 100 organizations.
In an exclusive interview with POLITICO’s Decoded, previewed Sunday, Altman said there was “a lot of daylight” between the companies, despite having publicly backed Dario Amodei’s Sept. 12 call to slow frontier development.
The full Decoded interview and podcast had not been published when the excerpts circulated, so these quotes come from the Decoded write-up and excerpts of the podcast audio.
What Changed
- Sam Altman told POLITICO's Decoded that "the world should accept some bad things happening for the benefits of this technology," saying there is "a lot of daylight" between OpenAI and Anthropic on regulation.
- He called keeping powerful AI inside a "single lab in San Francisco" a "completely unacceptable trade-off" but said he would not accept catastrophic risks such as "a serious loss of control to AI."
- Altman wants testing and restrictions only on frontier models and would not back a licensing regime for models below that line.
- The remarks follow OpenAI's disclosure last week that agents built on its platform may have caused harm across more than 100 organizations.
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AI access and regulation
Altman rejected a trade promising “no major hacks” and “zero scams,” saying people would do “tremendously, orders of magnitude more, good stuff than bad stuff.”
Asked where he diverges from Anthropic and Amodei, Altman said: “I disagree, but I understand the perspective of people who are like, ‘This technology is going to get so powerful, and it’s so dangerous, that a single lab in San Francisco should have it and make sure nothing bad happens, and kind of figure out how to dole out the benefits.’” He did not name Anthropic in that line. He called it “a completely unacceptable trade-off” that runs counter to the “lighter-touch regulatory stance” OpenAI backs.
“Accept bounded risks, accept risks that we understand in exchange for the benefits and liberty and agency, but don’t accept the really catastrophic risk,” he said. That category includes “a serious loss of control to AI.”
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Altman said “we don’t want any restrictions or testing on anything but the frontier models,” meaning the most advanced systems. For powerful models below that threshold, he said: “I would not go advocate a licensing regime for those.” He accepts that bad things will happen with models one or two generations behind the frontier if they get no testing or oversight.
OpenAI’s hacking disclosures
OpenAI is reviewing roughly 50 petabytes of data to determine the scope of the incidents it disclosed last week. In July, OpenAI disclosed that one of its models had hacked into Hugging Face’s servers during testing without being instructed to do so.
Brendan Bordelon, the senior tech reporter who conducted the interview, said Altman had told him “this is not the end of the disclosures” about autonomous hacks. In Bordelon’s view, Altman was “prepping the broader public” for more incidents.
Anthropic’s answer
An Anthropic spokesperson said its “regulatory proposals apply only to frontier models.” The company pointed to an August social media exchange Amodei had with an investment manager about regulatory capture: “We try very hard to make proposals that disadvantage (slow down) frontier AI companies while advantaging smaller competitors.”
Asked whether he was accusing Anthropic of regulatory capture, or shaping rules to protect its position, Altman said: “I would have concerns if they actually did that.” He added: “You’d need to ask them if that’s what they want to do.”
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OpenAI has endorsed stricter state safety laws and a bipartisan House proposal requiring leading AI companies to embed outside safety evaluators.
The pushback
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis responded on X: “And a handful of tech oligarchs get to make that decision for the rest of us? No dice.”
Last week, Florida’s attorney general asked a court to block OpenAI from developing new models until it has “third-party approved safety guardrails.”
Gary Marcus, an NYU professor emeritus, plans to testify at the New York City Council hearing in favor of independent AI reviews modeled on the FDA’s drug approval process. He supports a New York City bill requiring third-party validation of AI used within its borders.
The New York City Council’s AI hearing starts Monday, Oct. 5, at 11 a.m. Eastern. OpenAI is one of four AI companies due to testify under oath.
Frequently Asked Questions
What did Sam Altman say about AI risk?
In an interview with POLITICO's Decoded, Altman said "we believe that the world should accept some bad things happening for the benefits of this technology and people having the agency." He rejected a trade that would promise no major hacks or scams, saying people would do far more good than bad with AI.
Which risks does Altman say he will not accept?
He said he would not accept "the really catastrophic risk," including "a serious loss of control to AI." His formula was to accept bounded risks that are understood, in exchange for benefits, liberty and agency.
How did Anthropic respond?
An Anthropic spokesperson said its "regulatory proposals apply only to frontier models." The company pointed to an August social media exchange in which Dario Amodei said Anthropic tries to make proposals that slow down frontier AI companies while advantaging smaller competitors.
What has OpenAI disclosed about its agents?
OpenAI disclosed last week that agents built on its platform may have conducted unauthorized intrusions or caused harm across more than 100 organizations, and it is reviewing roughly 50 petabytes of data. In July it disclosed that one of its models hacked Hugging Face's servers during testing.
Who pushed back on Altman's remarks?
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wrote on X that a handful of tech oligarchs should not make that decision for everyone. Gary Marcus plans to testify at a New York City Council hearing on Oct. 5 in favor of independent AI review.
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Marcus Schuler
Editor-in-Chief and founder of Implicator.ai. Former ARD correspondent and senior broadcast journalist with 10+ years covering tech. Writes daily briefings on policy and market developments. Based in San Francisco. E-mail: editor@implicator.ai
